I’m agnostic about gods. Maybe there is one (or many); maybe not. How should I know? I’m just one guy tootling along on Planet Earth. Perhaps there’s a being who has complete control over the universe, who can shape or destroy it at will, and who can interfere with events as needed. So far I haven’t witnessed anything like that. But I certainly haven’t seen everything. And hey, it could happen.
In 1964, astronomer Nikolai Kardashev proposed a scale to classify civilizations by how advanced they had become as spacefaring societies. A Type 1 civilization would have complete control over the resources of its own planet. A Type 2 would have gotten its mitts around every resource in its solar system; Type 3s could command entire galaxies. Commentators have suggested adding a Type 0, for newbies like us, and Type 4 for societies that rule an entire universe. But wait, there’s more! The Kardashev Scale can also account for a Type 5 civilization that holds the reins to multiple universes.
Would there be a difference, to us humans, between a Type 4 or Type 5 civilization and a god? As sci-fi superstar Arthur C. Clarke put it, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” We’d regard representatives from a Type 5 civilization as angels, and their leader as God Himself. However, such a society would probably hide from the likes of us — or simply ignore us — until we matured enough to comprehend what they had to offer. (No sense handing the car keys to a toddler.) In that case, God would remain hidden until we were ready for Him. Or Her.
As our technological prowess grows, there may come a time in the distant future when we discover we can control vast tracts of our own univese. At that point, will we run smack into another, alien civilization that decides to punish us for daring to interfere with its prerogatives? Perhaps the Ten Commandments were engraved by a super-advanced class of beings … and the first Commandment, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”, stands as a warning not to imitate them.
How long would it take for an intelligent species to develop from hunter-gatherers into universe-swallowing gods? Thousands of years? Millions? Billions? Astrophysicist Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson suggests that our technology — immensely advanced over that of chimpanzees, despite our DNA differing from chimps by a mere one percent — might itself be dwarfed by a civilization whose members differ from us in mental complexity by only one percent. We’d be “blithering idiots in their presence.” So these godlike possibilities could be close at hand — at least, for smart aliens.
Time will tell. Meanwhile, I’m agnostic.
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UPDATE: Forty billion planets support life in our galaxy?
UPDATE: Where are all those alien civilizations, anyway?
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the dreamer
2013 June 28
Thats one way to look at it!
Jim Hull
2013 June 28
The Dreamer: I thought it’d be fun to toss around a few weird ideas. Who knows what’s really going on out there? We’ve only just begun to find out.
Oh, and: liked your story about the “Spicy Kiss”.
BFG
2013 June 28
How long would it take for an intelligent species to develop from hunter-gatherers into universe-swallowing gods?
One possible answer is: hardly any time at all – if a more advanced civilization provides turnkey solutions adapted for them.
I recall reading an article some years back that described the theoretical possibility of creating another universe by “budding” it off from our own. I’ve had a quick look around and I can’t find the reference yet, but I’ll keep looking. One of the points made in the article is that having created the new universe, we would be unable to interact with it or monitor its progress. So any deity that created our universe would be in a similar position. Sucks to be them π
Jim Hull
2013 June 28
From my essay “A Lonely God” ( https://jimhull.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/a-lonely-god/ ):
“(I have this notion that God is an eight-tentacled student in a physics class in some far-off universe, who left the lab table early to go on a hot date and forgot to turn off the gravity machine, which cranked away all night until it created a quantum instability that popped open and became our universe. Next school day, Octopus Nerd returns to the lab, sees the machine still running, and switches it off, failing to notice the output spike on the data recorder. So we were created by accident by an unknowing, many-armed alien geek who was too busy hoping to get to eighth base.)”
jimi
2015 January 26
I think the movie Men in Black had it right with the ending showing God (or type 5) dressed in plaid playing gulf with our universe (as a gulf ball). Lol
Jim Hull
2015 January 26
So _that’s_ why I dreamed the secret to life was a number: “FORE!” π
DyingLight
2015 January 27
Whoa..mind blown.
Jim Hull
2015 January 27
In my case, it’s “Mind lost.” π
surender
2015 May 2
it amazing thought I was thinking same after reading michio kaku book about civilization and that question arise from my mind..I Google it and fall in this article which support my thinking…..
Jim Hull
2015 May 2
Kaku has written some good stuff … Meanwhile, a godlike being may appear on our planet in the next 30 years. It will erupt from innovations in computing. It’s called The Singularity. Billionaires are burning money trying to anticipate it and, with luck, usher it into existence in such a way that it helps us and doesn’t destroy us: https://jimhull.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/rogue-robots/
veganfox35
2016 May 23
Reblogged this on Beyond Humanity.
Jim Hull
2016 May 23
Thanks. Hope it’s useful.
kenny
2020 June 22
If you understand the Bible, we are Gods in embryo. Christ stated in revelation we wiyld sit upon his throne, as he sits upon his fathers throne. In early christianity it is taught God became man, that man might become God. We are the same species as God. He has simply sought for us to become what he is. Unfortunately man turned his back on God. But i would say the universe is infinite, nobeginning and end, and the gods arent pleased with our behavior.
Jim Hull
2020 June 24
There’s a saying: “When someone points at the moon, don’t stare at his finger.” Jesus may have been trying to say that those who believe in Him have “eternal life” in the sense that they, too, are God. Instead, people fell to their knees and worshipped Jesus — he pointed at the answer, and they stared at his finger.